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Poster:	billbarstad	Date:	July 26, 2011 04:33:04pm
Forum:	feature_films	Subject:	Re: At War with the Army

The copyright registration you posted isn't the problem. It's OK. The issue I'm talking about is the notice in the film.

If the notice is valid, then the movie shouldn't be here.

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Poster:	Archfilm	Date:	July 26, 2011 05:38:09pm
Forum:	feature_films	Subject:	Re: At War with the Army

There is a valid copyright notice in the opening credits. York Pictures Corporation and Screen Associates, Inc. are listed as the copyright holders. Here's the link: http://www.archive.org/details/AtWarWithTheArmy

But the copyright was renewed, so it's not in the public domain and should be removed from the website.


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Poster:	Video-Cellar	Date:	July 27, 2011 12:42:22am
Forum:	feature_films	Subject:	Re: At War with the Army

The renewal was 1 year late. The copyright term begins at the date in notice, creating a transitional window of 24 Jan 1977-31 Dec 1978 for this film. The renewal occured after the films valid renewal window had expired. It was not uncommon for such renewals to go through and remain in the database, however, they hold no legal validity.

Some such renewals that are still present in the USCO database include:

Kangaroo; motion picture photoplay.
Type of Work: Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date: RE0000066355 / 1980-05-06
Renewal registration for: LP0000001819 / 1952-05-16 (in notice: 1951)
Title: Kangaroo; motion picture photoplay.
Copyright Claimant: Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation (PWH)
Basis of Claim: New Matter: "motion picture photoplay."
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.

Road to Bali. By Bing Crosby Enterprises, Inc. & Hope Enterprises, Inc.
Type of Work: Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date: RE0000105899 / 1981-09-01
Renewal registration for: LP0000002200 / 1953-01-01 (in notice: 1952)
Title: Road to Bali. By Bing Crosby Enterprises, Inc. & Hope Enterprises, Inc.
Copyright Claimant: Bob Hope (PWH)
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.

Others similar registrations were canceled:

DOA;a feature photoplay. By Cardinal Pictures, Inc.
Type of Work: Cancelled Registration
Cancelled Registration Number: RE0000005723
Registration canceled--in notice 1949, too late for renewal registration.
Title: DOA;a feature photoplay. By Cardinal Pictures, Inc.

No one knows why some get cancelled and some stay on the system. The key to remember is that the renewal must correspond to the date in notice (regardless of the publication date) for the renewal to be valid.

This post was modified by Video-Cellar on 2011-07-27 07:42:22

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Poster:	Moongleam	Date:	July 27, 2011 10:28:45am
Forum:	feature_films	Subject:	Re: At War with the Army

What if the date in notice is later than the publication date? For example, if a film was released in 1950 but the date in notice was 1952, could the owner wait until 1980 to renew?

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Poster:	Video-Cellar	Date:	July 27, 2011 11:58:41pm
Forum:	feature_films	Subject:	Re: At War with the Army

No. If the date in notice is more than 1 year post-dated from publication the notice is invalid.

So a 1958 publication could carry a 1959 notice and have a legally registered copyright:

HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL. Allied Artists
Pictures Corp. 75 min., sd., b&w, 35mm.
Allied Artists Pictures Corp.; 29Dec58
(in notice: 1959); LP12531.

but the renewal would need to be lodged in 1987 not 1986. If the notice on a 1958 publication read 1960 then there is effectively no copyright notice.

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Poster:	Moongleam	Date:	July 28, 2011 06:46:07am
Forum:	feature_films	Subject:	Re: At War with the Army

Good information. Thanks.